I love the idea of creating a virtual community for CF developers. I think that trying the idea that come from the CFMeetup meeting of having a networking time after the meeting is a good place to start. The other thing I think that we need to figure is what is the goal / purpose. It is different from the education that goes on at the various CF group meetings. The purpose is probably more along the lines of building professional relationships, sharing ideas, and talking about jobs / referrals.
@Keith, Good point. One thing I've noticed about being at the online CFUG meetings is that there seem to be people in the 'audience' who have valuable things to contribute to the topic du jour. In a face-to-face meeting, the format is more conducive to the question session evolving naturally into a discussion session. Connect doesn't encourage that, but having the room stay open a bit could help some. Of course, that doesn't always happen even in person, and other times it evolves into an argument session.
So, the extra time after the CFUG talks could possibly serve to extend the education that was part of that session, but it mainly provides a topic that serves as the social lubricant. (I get the impression quite a few UGs meet in bars thus having access to other social lubricants.)
One disadvantage I noticed in the Connect meeting was that it seemed slow. I would leave a comment, and it took several seconds to appear. That made chatting seem less natural.
I agree that the ultimate goal is professional relationships, knowing people with whom you can share ideas and job information.
I agree with you about Connect being slow. Maybe we explore things like starting a group on Facebook, LinkIn etc. Still doesn't quite give the feel of being in a social situation together at some professional function. I like the concept of what we are trying to do. Let's keep the ideas going - there is a way of doing this.
I'm never really sure if its about creating a new community some where. cause like most things, there is a CF group on almost every platform of communication out there. forums, irc, email lists. its just about making sure every one is listening to the streams. people won't connect with you through every type of platform out there either. Ive worked with some that want to have the power of social media as a tool to promote their business, but they them selves don't really want to be come internet famous, as it were. It's really comes down to finding the people that are sharing their knowledge and participating where you can. In the way that they choose to interact with you. whither it be by blog, twitter, video chatting or presentations. A lot of this remote sharing at a near real time level is only a few years into being mainstream-ish. not every ones computer can handle it, not every ones internet can handle it.
The only spaces I've seen so far that don't yet have a cf community started on it would be virtual worlds like SecondLife. (that I know of) you can sign up and show up for free, but having actual land to host your events evolves a bit more then most would want to do. I've only now started to acquire the connections to have that kind of work done.
as for connect, I tend to think people do just freak out when the audio drops for more then 10 seconds. give it time, it will come back. Pretend you're in space, and ANY knowledge you get, even in its jumbled form, is valuable. ;) I joined a cfug with the guys in New Zealand using connect, for cfwheels (I think. it was 2-3 am edt time.) and it crashed out on us a few times, but its like hey, give it a sec, it will come back. I mean, their really far away, its hard to do! lol. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MFFMsfQEJ1I&feature=channel_page
we are all just clever modern scientists, trying to find clever ways to collaborate better. :D
What about starting out with a checklist of things that a new developer should be using? 1. Install cf on localhost 2. Install Eclipse 3. Install cfEclipse 4. Install SQL Server Express
If a person needed help with any of the above mentioned steps, then they could ask for help.
I love the idea of creating a virtual community for CF developers. I think that trying the idea that come from the CFMeetup meeting of having a networking time after the meeting is a good place to start. The other thing I think that we need to figure is what is the goal / purpose. It is different from the education that goes on at the various CF group meetings. The purpose is probably more along the lines of building professional relationships, sharing ideas, and talking about jobs / referrals.
ReplyDelete@Keith, Good point. One thing I've noticed about being at the online CFUG meetings is that there seem to be people in the 'audience' who have valuable things to contribute to the topic du jour. In a face-to-face meeting, the format is more conducive to the question session evolving naturally into a discussion session. Connect doesn't encourage that, but having the room stay open a bit could help some. Of course, that doesn't always happen even in person, and other times it evolves into an argument session.
ReplyDeleteSo, the extra time after the CFUG talks could possibly serve to extend the education that was part of that session, but it mainly provides a topic that serves as the social lubricant. (I get the impression quite a few UGs meet in bars thus having access to other social lubricants.)
One disadvantage I noticed in the Connect meeting was that it seemed slow. I would leave a comment, and it took several seconds to appear. That made chatting seem less natural.
I agree that the ultimate goal is professional relationships, knowing people with whom you can share ideas and job information.
I agree with you about Connect being slow. Maybe we explore things like starting a group on Facebook, LinkIn etc. Still doesn't quite give the feel of being in a social situation together at some professional function. I like the concept of what we are trying to do. Let's keep the ideas going - there is a way of doing this.
ReplyDeleteI'm never really sure if its about creating a new community some where. cause like most things, there is a CF group on almost every platform of communication out there. forums, irc, email lists. its just about making sure every one is listening to the streams. people won't connect with you through every type of platform out there either. Ive worked with some that want to have the power of social media as a tool to promote their business, but they them selves don't really want to be come internet famous, as it were. It's really comes down to finding the people that are sharing their knowledge and participating where you can. In the way that they choose to interact with you. whither it be by blog, twitter, video chatting or presentations. A lot of this remote sharing at a near real time level is only a few years into being mainstream-ish. not every ones computer can handle it, not every ones internet can handle it.
ReplyDeleteThe only spaces I've seen so far that don't yet have a cf community started on it would be virtual worlds like SecondLife. (that I know of) you can sign up and show up for free, but having actual land to host your events evolves a bit more then most would want to do. I've only now started to acquire the connections to have that kind of work done.
as for connect, I tend to think people do just freak out when the audio drops for more then 10 seconds. give it time, it will come back. Pretend you're in space, and ANY knowledge you get, even in its jumbled form, is valuable. ;)
I joined a cfug with the guys in New Zealand using connect, for cfwheels (I think. it was 2-3 am edt time.) and it crashed out on us a few times, but its like hey, give it a sec, it will come back. I mean, their really far away, its hard to do! lol. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MFFMsfQEJ1I&feature=channel_page
we are all just clever modern scientists, trying to find clever ways to collaborate better. :D
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ReplyDeleteand try not to over do it.
raving fans can be annoying.
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What about starting out with a checklist of things that a new developer should be using?
ReplyDelete1. Install cf on localhost
2. Install Eclipse
3. Install cfEclipse
4. Install SQL Server Express
If a person needed help with any of the above mentioned steps, then they could ask for help.